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Post by mobyrox on Nov 20, 2006 15:27:06 GMT -5
Well, it seems that after the election, the wind is out of everyones sails, democrats included.
We wait to see where the war is going to go. It seems unlikely we are going to leave. If we don't leave then change was absolutely needed so it's good that the dems won just so Bush would kick Rummy out.
we wait to see if a minimum wage increase will go through or if republicans will tie it up saying it's an unfair burden on companies.
We wait to see if safe sex will be taught along side abstinence in a program that says "yes, abstinence is 100% foolproof but if you MUST then please use a condom. One that says if you can't wait please plan ahead".
I wonder what is going to happen? Will the Dems get back in the good graces of the public? Will they at least attempt to impeach or censure the president or will they continue to shy away from things of that nature fearing that it could affect them negatively in the future?
Will corruption take over the dems? Will they continue the in-fighting that was happening over who would take the spot as Pelosi's number 2?
any theories? Anything you'd like to see happen in the new congress?
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Post by ~Z~ on Nov 22, 2006 0:21:25 GMT -5
I definitely want to see Minimum wage go up. If the rate of living is going up, then so should wages. I see where it can be a burden on companies - but man - the longer they keep minimum wage down - the less people are going to be able to live comfortably. Then just about everything will turn into "rich people's stuff" - and that is not something I am pleased about.
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Post by relay on Nov 22, 2006 20:20:55 GMT -5
I really don't want to attack or get on a soapbox, but have you been to ,say, Africa lately? How much we are paid in this country is not something anyone should be allowed to complain about. Be thankful you have a job and freedom.
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Post by ~Z~ on Nov 23, 2006 1:34:36 GMT -5
You like to take things to the extreme, don't you? Back off, would ya'?
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Post by roguebishop on Nov 23, 2006 10:44:37 GMT -5
its not an extreme. Our wages are based off of what we are willing to do. If you want more money do not blame others look at yourself as the problem. Now this is not directed at one person it is just a common fact. The problem with most peoples thinking is that it is someone elses problem and the issue is that you can't change that person. Now if the problem is you that is something you can work on. Now someone tell me what book that is from and you get a smiley.
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Post by redswine on Nov 23, 2006 11:29:45 GMT -5
Your right Eli & Larry, I don't have a college education, but I have never been satisfied flipping burgers so I applied myself. Got myself in the door at jobs and then worked I disagree off to learn and improve myself and move up and make much more money. I honestly am not in favor of raising the minimum wage, otherwise it only motivates people to mediocrity.
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Post by relay on Nov 23, 2006 11:41:35 GMT -5
You like to take things to the extreme, don't you? Back off, would ya'? I'm not taking anything to extremes, What are we called to do as Christians? Love people and love God. There is a lot more I should be doing, and I know this. But I have never complained about the money I make. I'm thankful to have a great boss where I will always have a job. There is so much suffering in the world and people complain about having a crappy cell phone when millions of people are starving. I don't usually jump up on a soapbox but when someone In this country says something like: Yeah, I'll speak up. Even the homeless people in this country are better off than millions of people around the world.
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Post by ~Z~ on Nov 24, 2006 12:54:43 GMT -5
*bites tongue on everything that will just be shoved back in my face anyways.* You don't know me Eli. Don't even try. Just please - BACK OFF.
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Post by redswine on Nov 24, 2006 18:02:12 GMT -5
umm, what's he saying besides he doesn't think that people should expect a handout. People need to get off their ass and work for what they want, simple as that.
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Post by mobyrox on Nov 25, 2006 11:49:00 GMT -5
umm, what's he saying besides he doesn't think that people should expect a handout. People need to get off their ass and work for what they want, simple as that. that's implying people aren't working hard for minimum wage jobs? Is that how you all feel? That seems like a die hard extreme right wing position.
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Post by mobyrox on Nov 25, 2006 11:50:50 GMT -5
Also, not every area has openings at high paying positions. I am a college grad, and I work hard, I've been unable to advance at the company I work for so I make due.
If the company had it there way (and we didn't have a union) I wouldn't even be getting raises.
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Post by relay on Nov 25, 2006 16:10:07 GMT -5
umm, what's he saying besides he doesn't think that people should expect a handout. People need to get off their ass and work for what they want, simple as that. that's implying people aren't working hard for minimum wage jobs? Is that how you all feel? That seems like a die hard extreme right wing position. Well, no, that's not what I was saying Red. I was saying that the people in this country are all rich. Extremely. Look around the world and you will see. And Moby, no that is not what it implies. That is what you see. That is what you always see. And you talk about people taking things to the Nth degree... Let me try to explain this to you. What it really means is that if you don't like making minimum wage then you need to work harder or go a different route. No one said the people working for minimum wage aren't working hard. But you put the extra effort in to improve you situation, instead of asking for the rate to increase. Do you think Bill Gates got where he was because he was making min wage and then got lucky? Or who ever? Probably not, I'm sure they worked their asses off for the right to sit pretty where they are. Please don't throw that right-wing crap out again. Oh, and I'm sure there are plenty of people who take pride and do a good job with flipping burgers or whatever min wage job. But I'm not sure I would call it hard work. You can go to any number of electrical contractors and dig ditches for plenty more then min wage. And if you want to go to app. school, most of them will pay for your school or help. Then you make more as you go thru school. Its not hard, any trade I'm sure is like that right now. What is min wage now anyway? I'm sorry to go off, but I'm tired of the broken record of conservative, right wing evil line. That and people being told what they mean instead of actually listening to what they mean.
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Post by mobyrox on Nov 25, 2006 16:25:40 GMT -5
that's implying people aren't working hard for minimum wage jobs? Is that how you all feel? That seems like a die hard extreme right wing position. Well, no, that's not what I was saying Red. I was saying that the people in this country are all rich. Extremely. Look around the world and you will see. And Moby, no that is not what it implies. That is what you see. That is what you always see. And you talk about people taking things to the Nth degree... Let me try to explain this to you. What it really means is that if you don't like making minimum wage then you need to work harder or go a different route. No one said the people working for minimum wage aren't working hard. But you put the extra effort in to improve you situation, instead of asking for the rate to increase. Do you think Bill Gates got where he was because he was making min wage and then got lucky? Or who ever? Probably not, I'm sure they worked their asses off for the right to sit pretty where they are. Please don't throw that right-wing crap out again. Oh, and I'm sure there are plenty of people who take pride and do a good job with flipping burgers or whatever min wage job. But I'm not sure I would call it hard work. You can go to any number of electrical contractors and dig ditches for plenty more then min wage. And if you want to go to app. school, most of them will pay for your school or help. Then you make more as you go thru school. Its not hard, any trade I'm sure is like that right now. What is min wage now anyway? I'm sorry to go off, but I'm tired of the broken record of conservative, right wing evil line. That and people being told what they mean instead of actually listening to what they mean. yeah, well, number one i wasn't exactly responding to you. number two that's exactly how i read red's post. i think anyone who read it would see it that way. your response however is very cold hearted and very pro-rich. it's very ignorant as well. saying people who don't do what you may consider fancy jobs or perhaps don't exactly measure up to society's definition of success don't mean they don't work hard and it doesn't mean they don't deserve to earn more either. it may not be "work" to you but it is work. it's work to them and my job is work to me. I do a job that many would consider under me. I get paid well because of the time i put in there. otherwise, if the union didn't mandate raises i wouldn't make what i do. i have a college degree unfortunately there aren't many jobs in my field that i went to school for where i live and relocating is not an option for me at this time. so please think before you post. minimum wage increase would help so many but the right wing mindset is that it's a handout. it's not really people still work for that money. cost of living has increased but wages have not, that's a problem.
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Post by ~Z~ on Nov 25, 2006 16:36:51 GMT -5
*applauds Mobyrox* THANK you.
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Post by relay on Nov 26, 2006 20:11:20 GMT -5
There you go again Moby. How can you say that is how everyone would read it? Because you did? And again, you are telling me what my posts mean. You are wrong. I'm sorry but some of your posts make me laugh out loud. Pro rich? You are totally wrong about my feelings. I said nothing about 'fancy' work. I even said they do a good job, I even said they take pride in it. But, for example, working at McDonalds, is not 'hard' work. Yes its work. And you do what you have to. But if you think half the stuff you buy you really need, then you are spitting on the ones who are truly poor. That is what I think is cold-hearted. But that is my opinion, and apparently you are the only one who can have one without being judgmental in some way. I know about min wage. I worked at a gas station for about 6 months. It was work, but it was not hard by any means. And what did i do? I went somewhere that had potential to make more and I started at the bottom there. Why? I took the initiative to change my situation.
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