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Post by mobyrox on Nov 9, 2006 15:08:42 GMT -5
What are your views on this?
When I was up in MN. on my vacation. My Grandmother gave me a Novena of Saint Therese to pray to for a new job amongst other things. My family on my Mom's side is very catholic. I believe I was baptized Catholic.
what do you all think?
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Post by ~Z~ on Nov 9, 2006 21:37:39 GMT -5
I don't believe in a "middle man" at all. Not like that.
Basically, what I tell people, is that if God took the time to create us, to create this world with his own hands - and came down in human form - and died in complete humiliation as a human - that he should, and does, have plenty of time to hear our prayers himself.
As I have understood it, the saints were there to decide which prayers were more important and should receive more attention. That's nonsense to me. God decides for himself. And honestly, we are just too impatient and there is a whole lot that can be said for prayer in general - but it's not exactly my department - I don't have enough knowledge on it to say anything on it for myself. I would end up looking like an idiot.
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Post by iconodule on Nov 11, 2006 22:09:39 GMT -5
The saints as intercessors is an important part of Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic theology. The concept is that we are asking those who have gone before us in death to pray for us before Christ. We view it no differently than asking a friend to pray for us, although prayer to the saints is considered a bit more 'reliable' if you will, as they do not forget to pray for us, blow us off, etc. Ultimately it is like intercessory prayer that some Protestant churches participate in, but the people who are praying for us are no longer of this world but alive in Christ.
There is no 'filter' thinning out what prayers are more or less important to God, and God hears all prayers no matter what. But, it is comforting to many that those who have been made perfect through death are echoing our prayers to God.
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Post by mobyrox on Nov 27, 2006 18:23:20 GMT -5
my grandma, when she gave me the novena card said Therese was the saint of roses and that when God is going to answer your prayer you'll get a rose. My Grandma said that it's happened in the family, ever have anything like that happen to you, Icon?
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Post by scott on Nov 27, 2006 19:09:10 GMT -5
The saints as intercessors is an important part of Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic theology. The concept is that we are asking those who have gone before us in death to pray for us before Christ. We view it no differently than asking a friend to pray for us, although prayer to the saints is considered a bit more 'reliable' if you will, as they do not forget to pray for us, blow us off, etc. Ultimately it is like intercessory prayer that some Protestant churches participate in, but the people who are praying for us are no longer of this world but alive in Christ. There is no 'filter' thinning out what prayers are more or less important to God, and God hears all prayers no matter what. But, it is comforting to many that those who have been made perfect through death are echoing our prayers to God. I was going to post the same thing. I've been leaning towards Catholicism, and a priest on the Ship of Fools message boards filled me in on Mariology and prayers to saints. My patron saint is St. Michael, for what it's worth. |
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Post by mobyrox on Nov 27, 2006 19:10:33 GMT -5
what is he the patron saint of?
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Post by scott on Nov 27, 2006 20:01:23 GMT -5
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